Posted by jmdaniel (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First dollar of the new year! Pay up, notfromhere!

Posted by austinmn55912 (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems like our police dept can figure these things out.

Could they offer a service to employers to do background checks on prospective employees? Lots of work at the onset, less down the road.

Posted by ruserious (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe Hormel/QPP should hire AMC to conduct interviews and complete the hiring process.

Posted by knight777 (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

austinmn55912:
It is called E-Verify. It is called "job interviewing". It is called "applicant background check". It is called SAVE.
It is called law enforcement. It is called punative actions against employee and employer. It is called "not accepting workers from an "employment agency" who is breaking the law and giving the real employer an "out" of not "knowingly hiring" people who are not qualified to work legally...and more....

Caused by the sanctuary polices. Caused by lack of ICE involvement. Caused by a strong political force in your area. Caused by Obomba, Napolitono, Reid, Pelosi, etccccc.
Caused by illegal immigration. Caused by people who sit back and defend illegals. And more.....

Who do you suppose will have to pay the $24,000 of medical bills not payed? Albert Lea has a million dollar "slush fund"...payed by those having insurance and paying their own bills....

Does anyone see why the Obomba health care monstor is so important to the dems and libs and the Hispanic and pro-illegal forces? Does anyone see why the "Amnesty bill" is ready for the push to be put in front of Congress?

The fight for America continues and we must not stop.

Posted by NotFromHere (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi Knight,

You didn't respond to my post on the MCFIR letter thread so I will drop it here as well. Or maybe you got nothing to offer...

Knight,

I stand ready to listen to anything you have to offer in the way of facts and equally ready to dismiss opinion.

I have been very clear on my stance - labor is no different than tires, cars, widgets or any other raw material or finished good. It has a price. The difference in price paid for labor here in the US is significantly higher than in Mexico and many other nations around the world. Mexico has the benefit of being close enough that the US labor market is in play for them (trust me - if it weren't for the pesky ocean we would have plenty of immigration from China, India, etc.) The folks crossing the border are not coming to Austin because they like Todd Park or Turtle Creek - they are coming because of the wages. Conversely there are many industries that have left the US because the cost of labor is cheaper elsewhere.

The border and immigration laws artificially keep labor costs in the US higher than they should be and inflates the prices we (you and me Knight) pay for our goods. In order to stay competitive firms must decide to stay here and pay higher wages or move offshore. So kicking all of the illegal immigrants is not going to gain jobs in Austin it is going to move jobs to Mexico, China and other fun and exciting locations. When those jobs move so do supervisor jobs, management jobs, suppliers get hurt and the tax base declines.

Your and MCFIR's position supports higher prices and less jobs and spending tax dollars on catching people who commit made up crimes. My position supports lower prices, job stabilization (and even the potential to bring jobs back into the US), and keeping the governments border efforts focused on finding terrorists (not guys that swim the Rio Grande because they will work the line at QPP that you and I never will.)

My argument is based on economic laws and is grounded in fact, you rely on jingoistic statements like "security of our nation", "alien invasion" other emotional claims.

Again - raise the number of work visas and streamline the process and there are no more illegal aliens. I challenge you to offer a reasonable rebuttal to that basic premise and we can begin a conversation there.

Posted by knight777 (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

notfromhere:
1. ILLEGAL LABOR is not a commodity to buy or sell.
2. The US labor market should not be "in-play for them". They are illegal and should not even be in country.
3. Industries leaving the US are very similar to the "low waged illegals" invading our country. Americans and American jobs are destroyed.
4. "Border and immigration laws" do not inflate wages artificially...immigration law enforcement stops illegals..provides jobs for the American middle class and
first entry workers and binds this nation's national identity.
5. Illegal aliens are criminals (per law)
6. The taxpayer costs of illegal immigration far out-weigh any benefit illegals put into the economy. (fact)
7. Sorry, your argument is not based on econmic LAW and is not factual. Your imagined theory does not support America's dream. It sounds very socialist. Your system leads to a "class system". Illegals, low wages, poor uneducated, dumbing down, backward step in our civilization, all contribute to a third world society and competivness. A "stopping" of America's greatness to the level of the rest of the world is not the answer.
8. The last paragraph in your post is the most since I have heard from you. Yes, let us regulate immigration...choose who we want, when we want them, how many we want, where we want them, what education levels we want, what country we want them from, what countries we do not want them from...

To do this we must stop illegal alien foreign nationals from invading our country by the millions. Enforce the border, enforce immigration laws, punish, deport, jail, fine ...all those who violate the laws.

Then when that is done .... after American's have jobs...we can think about letting in foreigners.

I have to catch a program. More later.

Posted by ruserious (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

notfromhere,

If you want to defend these illegal immigrants, then how about you cover Ms.Perez's $24,000 medical bill. Us Americans don't believe we should be forced to pay it.

Posted by ruserious (anonymous) on January 21, 2010 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nombre idiota

Posted by NotFromHere (anonymous) on January 22, 2010 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ruserious,

I am not defending illegal immigrants I am condemning our moronic immigration quotas. Your statement would leave me to believe that you are okay with covering deadbeat American's health care bills - just not deadbeat immigrants...

Knight,

You continue to fall back on senseless rhetoric - illegal immigration...why is it illegal? Because special interest groups (your socialist and statist union brothers) have lobbied to keep immigration levels down to keep wages up. The policy has failed.

The policy has failed.

The policy has failed.

1. I said labor is a commodity - the only thing that makes it illegal is a silly law, the same type that make Toyota's more expensive so we can prop up failures like GM - leading us to $$$BILLION$$$ bailouts.
2. You can say it shouldn't be in play for them but it does not change the fact. Consider the number of maquiladoras that have opened in the last two decades and you can see that our labor market does not stop at the Rio Grande.
3. While your use of invasion is just silly jingoism I'll ignore that part. American jobs leaving the country is definitely harmful, that is why I am fighting to save American jobs. Central planning of the economy did not work in Russia - why do you think it will work here? Immigration quotas are a statist measure - you may have faith in the brilliance of Obama - but I sure as hell don't.
4. Border and immigration laws do raise the price of labor. Supply and demand, econ 101.
5. Illegal immigrants are only criminals because we follow an arbitrary immigration policy. Anyone who wants to come from Somalia (and soon to be Haiti - just wait) is allowed because they are "refugees". They do not come here because they want to work. They are much more a drain on public resources than illegal immigrants who if nothing else pay into SS and Medicare. If we gave people who want to work the right to work (not citizenship, not public benefits - just the right to work and pay taxes) they would not be illegal.
6. Where does your (fact) come from? What do you consider? Do you consider the value to industry for reduced labor costs? Do you consider the value to consumers that buy products at a lower price? Do you consider the value of jobs that are kept in the US? Do you consider the costs of running a failed immigration enforcement agency? Where is the outrage over the $$$Billions$$$ we spend that gets us nowhere?

Posted by NotFromHere (anonymous) on January 22, 2010 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

...I had 7 & 8 covered as well but exceeded 3000 characters (just wait until we sit down for a few beers Knight - then I really get going).

Since I have to get off to work I'll nutshell the rest here.

Any American can compete against an illegal immigrant (or someone on a work visa) for a job. I have no pity for them if they lose that contest.

No American can compete for a job that is moved overseas or when a factory closes.