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Protesters from opposite sides of the illegal immigration debate face off during a rally Saturday at the veteran's memorial.
Rally heats up, no arrests
Published Monday, July 13, 2009
What started as a rally, quickly grew into another heated immigration debate Saturday, with both sides verbally sparring near the veteran’s memorial in front of the government center.
While no arrests were made, local law enforcement stepped in on at least three occasions, whenever a protester from one side crossed over to confront one on the other side.
In those cases, the protesters went back to their previous location.
The event began at 2 p.m., lasted about two hours and was organized by Samuel Johnson as a protest against illegal immigration. Johnson, a member of the National Socialist Movement, held a similar rally last month at the same location and has also spoken out to the city council on the issue.
Johnson was joined by roughly a dozen supporters, while the people speaking out against his message numbered more than 100, the majority a combination of both Latinos and Whites.
“I’m just here to get people aware that illegal immigration in our city is a problem, and if you don’t stand up and do anything, then nothing will happen,” Johnson said before the rally began.
Toni Howg, who said she disagreed with Johnson’s message, was one of the organizers for the other side.
“We want to make it known, we don’t support the deportation of workers,” she said. “Immigration is important in a town like Austin.”
Shortly after 2 p.m., Johnson began speaking in a microphone to the crowd and reading various documents that addressed illegal immigration.
Those protesting against the message then began to chant from time to time in apparent attempts to drown out Johnson’s speech.
“The people united will never be defeated,” Johnson’s opponents chanted at one time.
Johnson kept talking.
“Every day we sit back and do nothing is a battle lost,” he said. “...Rallys must be held and support must be given ... Carry the message loud. Carry the message strong, for if you will not stand up for America, who will?”
Both sides of protesters had at least one megaphone to try to drown out the opposing side, and both sides carried homemade signs.
On occasion, those opposed to Johnson’s message walked around the block and chanted.
Erik Flann, of Lino Lakes, a Johnson supporter who brought a large American flag to the rally, expressed his views as the protesters passed by.
“Hitler is not dead; he’s alive in our hearts,” he said.
Shortly after, he expanded on his comments.
“We’re trying to stop illegal immigration in this town,” Flann said. “...You can’t kill the spirit of National Socialism.”
Mary Laeger-Hagemeister of Albert Lea, at the rally to protest Johnson’s message, offered her view.
“I believe Latinos are being given a bad wrap,” she said. “There’s a lot of misinformation. I believe it’s a human rights issue.”
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Posted by cabinman (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
“Hitler is not dead; he’s alive in our hearts,”
Ahhh yes, some quality "Americans" showed up for this!
Posted by ALYLESTUD (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I dont get why there cant be a middle ground here. Obviously the Nazi stuff is just rediculous. These skinheads aren't protesting about illegal immgration, they are still hung up on Hitler for some idiotic reason.
On the flip side you have the other protesters saying its bad to deport "workers". Bear in mind they are workers illegally here in the country.
Why can't we stand firm that we want to uphold the laws and deport whoever is here without proper paperwork whether it be latino, asian, sweed, canadian...whatever.
Is it really so hard to not break the law?
Posted by Doufish2 (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What a bunch of crap. Do the people in Austin read the local news? I don't live there anymore and I do read it on line. Look at the news people. Most of the crime, that is reported in Austin has a latino name in the title. Who is kidding who here.
Posted by angryneighbor (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am confused as to why people would involve their children in this debate!? We need to teach children to treat others how we want to be treated. Not to discriminate agaisnt others. I feel bad for kids on both sides. The adults choose to get together and rally, these kids will utimately end up in school together.
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Saturday was likely more about getting Nazi's out of town than it was about immigration. Having Nazi's leading this debate only paints the immigration with the negative image churned up with quotes like "Hilter is not dead he's alive in our hearts" and other such gems.
I was glad to see that it was about 5 or 6 to 1 - Nazi to non-Nazi at the event.
Doufish2 - your stats are off by quite a large margin. Most of our crime is not latino/hispanic surnames. We have an excellent crop of good ol' white boy criminals here that are holding up your end of the gene pool.
Posted by cabinman (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Such a radical stance on this issue scares people away from the real problem. Something needs to be done quickly about immigration but I do not want to hear about it (or anything else for that matter) from neo-nazis and other people who just spread hate. The picture of the guy doing the nazi salute over my flag sickens me.
Posted by orgaspam (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sam johnson looks like a well mannered educated man :) i'm sure every word of his well crafted rhetoric flows from his lips with solid logic and a prose that sings truth and good intentions.. i'm so glad a savior has finally arrived
Posted by dpjudd (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow! Austin has really become a hotbed of anger.
Posted by Doufish2 (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Alethia, I am not saying that the Nazi issue here is right or wrong. I personally don't think it belongs anywhere. Hitler was and is history.
But with that being said, read the crime reports in Austin. I read them every day on-line, old boys cause trouble too, and I will admit I was one of them 30 yrs ago. But with that being said, there is an immigration problem in this country and everyone knows it. I have no issue with anyone, as long as they are in this country legally and obey the laws. Go thru and read the names articles involving crime in Austin. Forgery, drug, assaults , what names do you see? Smith, Johnson, Anderson? It makes no difference, we need to make immigration a priority before we become a minority in our own country.
Posted by Steveo (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The funny thing is these Whites wouldnt even pass under hitlers standards. The only thing they have going for them is they're poor,whice means they are not Jewish haha
Posted by noneed2kno (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i lOVE austin YES I DO!!!!!! *gagging the entire sentence*
Posted by ALYLESTUD (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kratos,
Doufish is right....if you read the reports you'll see many more Latino incidents than you do all others combined.
Its not something to make a huge stink about, but there is evidence to support his claim.
we can do a study if you want
Posted by orgaspam (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
just throwing this out there but the nsm is quite comical in regards to how it bashes American policy and law calling for a centralized government press while utilizing a right given to them by the constitution in place currently , one right which they hope to relinquish from all americans after they become a national party. hahahahahahaahhahahahahaha if you want a good laugh read through their 25 positions they call for a socialist and capitalist government. hahahahaha (not possible btw). I'm glad that there are enough ignorant uneducated people who believe they hold the answers to lifes problems and are motivated enough to rally forces, because without them I would have to settle with reruns of the Golden Girls .
Posted by Adolf_Schicklgruber (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nobody wants to hear from me...especially A_K…(yes I am back to haunt you)…but here goes anyhow. As I filmed this entire weekends events as an independent film maker that has worked with many large reputable companies…I found it funny that I was at one point advised by the Faribault, MN police the night before the main rally in Austin that I could be sent to jail. Hmm? I was interviewing a Hispanic women who had approached me and claimed she was illegal , and the police officer standing behind her would do nothing. When I swung the camera in his direction for a statement on what she just claimed, he advised that if I pointed my camera at the him one more time I could go to jail. As she left and proceeded to drive herself away, she stopped, looked at the two officers as well as I, and said “I have no license either…and no one will do anything about it.” Now to me that last part sounds like an admission of guilt to breaking a MN state statute…but both officers simply went on with their private conversation.
I learned much being in the area this past weekend. I learned that private citizens of any color are often afraid to speak out against the immigration problems…most in fear of retribution. Those that would speak with me had plenty to say on the many problems their quaint little city faces. I truly have to say I loved the Memorial itself where the protests took place…very nice indeed…congrats for that Austin! I am one that would suggest however for travelers to watch the prices at the local motels when you get to Austin. I have paid more but cannot remember when. Plain language is…I probably pumped more funding into your little community in 3 days and 2 nights while in Austin, than 10 illegal immigrants do in one month.
Posted by Austinalum (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There are two people in Austin who can diffuse the debate over illegals in Austin. They are the CEO's of Hormel and QPP. When they stop hiring illegal aliens, the problem will, for the most part, go away. These tow people are responsible for the problems in Austin wrt illegal immigration and yet are not being called on to clean it up. The Austin police department is also complicit in not reporting ALL cases of illegal immigration that they encounter to ICE. When will the city leaders take responsibility for what is happening to Austin?
Posted by orgaspam (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
wow you must be a huge up and coming movie director if you shot here in austin. dont forget about us when you make it big. also hotshot usually when one tries to build oneself up as a quality film maker it's best not to mention that you 'have' done work for reputable companies, b/c that implies you had a job filming real documentaries, yet they didnt like your stuff so now you're paying for your own hotel/travel ,stuck covering rural american whack jobs.
Posted by Littletoad (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Adolf Schicklgruber.....you should know better than to interfere with police officers while they are thinking or conversing about donuts.....they're not always the most agreeiable folks at those dire moments! Regardless, I'll cut you some slack this time!
Toad
Posted by Adolf_Schicklgruber (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
At least I have a job orgaspam. I love working for myself, and I love doing pieces on small town America. Never said I was not being reimbursed either...you did. I just said the prices are out of line for a city of 24,ooo folks. I may have come to the area as an independent, but does your unemployment collecting butt think I would not come without some film already being sold. I may work…but not for companies like Hormel or QPP that would have me working for peanuts. Sort of like your employer most likely does to you.
Amazes me just how so many of you here have time to continually cut down postings...but yet probably fail to do anything beyond your own keyboard to help your community. At this point I would have to ask many of you “what have you done for your community today?”
Posted by MarvelousMisadventures (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Alylestud,
The problem with Doufish2's comment is that he suggests going through and reading "the names" in past articles. That means nothing, in fact, it's no different than Sam Johnson's message--Mexicans = Illegal/Dangerous/Criminals. People of ALL ethnic groups commit crimes (Sam Johnson is no Saint). Unfortunately, these things happen everywhere, not just at Lil' Ol' Austin, MN Home of Spam! Of course there are problems that arise when people move around the planet; I don't deny that, but immigrants commit fewer crimes than NATIVE-BORN Americans.
Alylestud, you suggested doing a study. I've got a better idea! Contact the Minnesota State Police and ask them for a copy of Austin's crime statistics. Oh! and please do send a copy to Doufish2.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: behind every argument against the movement of people to freedom is an underlying fear. Sam Johnson flamboyantly expressed his fear of race, culture, change, livelihood and security on Saturday. The tone of his propaganda is downright sinister. Stop spreading your dimwitted propaganda and racism!
Posted by nomoredrama (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Some say Sam Johnson is well educated, well if that was so you would think that he and his followers would know that the united states in a melting pot made up of many diffrent nationalities. That is what makes the United States. Iegal or not we are all made up of many diffrent nationalities. And last I knew Hitler was German, setting world history aside What does that have to do with the United States? Didn't Germans, Irish, Italian Ect. come here as immigrents as well? Legal and illegal? The well educated who want to throw history around would know this.
Posted by sportsguy (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
doufish, what does it matter if hispanics are commiting crimes in austin, most of them are against each other, so your racist ass should be happy that they are trying to take each other out. I am willing to bet that you just pay more attention when the names are spanish names, cause what about all the pedophiles that we have to be warned about when they are moving into our community, they are the biggest pieces of s#@t on the planet and they are WHITE, or how about the guy in Albert Lea who recently beat his girlfriend to death, he was WHITE, but let's not say anything about those people. I could go on and on about both hispanics and whites, but what's the point? Doesn't matter what race someone is, a dumbass is a dumbass in any color. And whoever said that they are against deporting workers, please don't talk anymore. Workers who are here illegaly, you're damn right they should get a boot in the ass right back to where they came from until they can go through the process and get the paperwork that says they are legal. I am hispanic and i can't stand illegal aliens. All these posts that single out ALL hispanics, f&%* yourself, don't put me in the same category as an illegal, my grandfather didn't fight in world war II so that our family could be told that we are not americans. I am proud to be 100% born, bred, and raised AMERICAN!!!!
Posted by Norman (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It may be unfair to describe the Austin Police as complicit in or ignoring issues involving illegal aliens in our community. Their jobs have been made more difficult, having to serve an increasingly non English-speaking population. The local police do not have the ability to deport illegals. Our courts also are limited in their ability to address the issue.
ICE is underfunded and understaffed, and it's doubtful the current administration will take significant action. So, we are left to make the best of it. If we all take care of our own affairs, and treat our neighbors kindly, we'll all sleep better at night and Austin will be fine.
Posted by jiggy (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Adolf-quit whining. You aren't going to get any sympathy here. You dish it out be ready to get it back. You believe in what the neo-nazis say in past posts and can't admit to being a racist. What's the matter---shaved head making it too hard to see the truth? Come on now. Wake up! You only have one life to live and look at how you're living it. All full of hate and garbage.
Posted by sportsguy (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Man Seen Following 8 Yr Old.
Yet another white pedophile in the news, but funny how nobody has gone on to that story and posted any negative s$@t. Wierd.
Posted by orgaspam (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
@A_S .. ok get it straight, you are accusing me of doing nothing but cutting down posts, so are you. you start out telling me that i don't have a job and collect unemployment (btw i'm employed full benifets enjoy 3weeks vacation per yr), then go on to tell me my employer (implying i have a job) pays me peanuts. which is it? at least when i tell you i think you're probably a shi**y film maker i commit to my evaluation. also what have i done for my community today? hmm well im not fabricating documentaries about how terrible my community is or how immigrants are going to take over the world, i'm not peddling hate media, also i didn't bitch about the prices around my town which is necessary to support a rural economy plus i don't try to emulate leni reifenstahl. so i think im doing ok.
@nomore
i really don't think he's educated the guy is a thug.
also hitler is from austria, not germany, which makes your point that nsm are stupid heads who say america needs guidance in immigration reform from the ideologies of an immigrant
Posted by sportsguy (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
that's some funny stuff right there orgaspam. i applaud your comment.
Posted by milesaway (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pretty sick using a Nazi salute. My grandparents are most likely turning in their graves seeing My. Flynn over an American flag like that. They could here to be free and they raised their children to be proud of America.
And Sam Johnson your discusting bring your children into your little mess for some noticability. Don't you think they have been though enough caused by you and your drug life.
Austin maybe he is the type of person that needs to be kicked out of town. He has robbed people, sold drugs to your children and now look what he is doing. I'm sure this will be deleted as always when the truth is told about someone in Austin, but I hope some read it first.
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 13, 2009 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The posts of Adolf are pretty funny if they were not so insulting.
Hint Adolf, if you are going to make up a lie about a woman and a cop, make sure that the lie is at least within the realm of real possibilities.
If you are going to lie about prices, try not to tell it to thousands of people who shop here daily.
If you are going to spread hate, make sure you are selling it at a market place where there is a demand of your hate.
Doing what you are doing makes you either a caricature of what a stupid Nazi might say. Or are you some sort of fake plant poster who is intentionally making fun of Nazi's by pretending to be one. It is only one or the other. No one can be this dense. It just can't happen.
Posted by 131313 (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 1:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I just would like to know why there are children at these protests?!?! Neither side is any better about that. Children should be left out of this all together. It's ridiculous that they are there and pictures of them are on here. It's also sad they have to grow up with this kind of crap going on. It's great that there hasn't been anything too escalating at these protests but what if something were to happen (which I hope never happens) and children are caught in the middle. Bottom line is every and anyone has a right to be in this country...as long as they are here legally. I don't care what race you are. If you are here legally and can speak English, then welcome. If not, do what you need to do to be that way and then welcome. Race has nothing to do with crimes. It is the people that commit them, not a person's race. There is no race that is innocent of not committing crimes. Maybe some day we can live in a better world. Until then, I continue to dream.
Posted by leftthehatebehind (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 2:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What has become of Austin? This is so sad....
I am glad the protesters outnumbered the Nazi sympathizers- that was not a rally, or whatever Samuel Johnson wants to call it, about illegal immigration, but racism, pure and simple.
Posted by Steveo (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 2:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have to agree,Sam is pretty low for involving his CHILDREN in HATE. I feel bad for lilttle kids.imagine what he's like behind closed doors. It's like hes basically setting his CHILDREN up for failure. Thats a sad story.GREAT JOB SAM........When your looking at your kids behind glass,remember YOU PUT THEM THERE!!!! Your a disgrace to the parents who know how to raise kids.Its not always easy to do the right thing, but its easy to be a piece of sh!t..
Posted by NOTYOURAVERAGEGIRL (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 5:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
IF ILLEGAL MEXICANS ARE SUCH A THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND RESPONSIBLE FOR SO MUCH OF THE CRIME IN AUSTIN, WHY HAVEN'T THEY WENT AFTER SAM JOHNSON AND HIS SUPPORTERS? I AM A WHITE GIRL WITH A CULTURALLY DIVERSE FAMILY AND I AM AFRAID TO HAVE SKIN HEADS THAT ARE TRYING TO PROVE SOME POINT LIVING IN THE SAME TOWN AS MY CHILDREN. I AM NOT SCARED OF AN ILLEGAL MEXICAN. THEY ARE NOT HERE TO SPREAD HATRED. THEY ARE HERE TO MAKE MONEY TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES. LIVING IN AMERICA, ONE HAS ALL OF THE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET AN EDUCATION AND TO EARN A DECENT LIVING. IN MANY COUNTRIES, INCLUDING MEXICO, THESE OPPORTUNITIES DON'T EXIST. IMAGINE IF THE SHOES WERE ON THE OTHER FEET AND YOU HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SEEING YOUR CHILDREN CRY FOR FOOD EVERY DAY AND LIVING IN FILTH AND POVERTY OR COMING ACROSS THE BORDER TO WORK SO YOU COULDSEND THEM MONEY TO EAT DECENT AND LIVE IN A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT. THEY AREN'T TRYING TO HURT OTHERS. MOST OF THE TIME THEY BUY THEIR PAPERS FROM CITIZENS WHO ARE IN JAIL OR ARE LOOKING TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK. MOST AREN'T "STEALING OTHER'S IDENTITIES." I ALSO DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO STEAL MY JOB AWAY. I GOT AN EDUCATION AND I AM A HARD WORKER. I HAVE A SOLID JOB HISTORY AND ANY EMPLOYER WOULD GLADLY HIRE ME IN A HEARTBEAT IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. I UNFORTUNATELY KNOW FIRST HAND THAT MANY UNEDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE WHO GO TO WORK AT PLACES LIKE QPP AND HORMEL, DON'T WANT TO WORK. THEY CALL IN SICK ALL OF THE TIME, MAKE EXCUSES FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS OR JUST DON'T EVEN PASS THE DRUG TEST IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY ALL WHITES AS I'M NOT A RACIST. I'M JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING. THEY DO THE JOBS THAT AMERICANS DON'T WANT TO DO OR ARE TOO LAZY TO DO BECAUSE THEY ARE HARD WORKERS. IN REGARDS TO COMPANIES SUCH AS THE MEAT INDUSTRY THAT HIRE ILLEGALS, THERE ARE EMPLOYMENT LAWS THEY MUST FOLLOW. THEY CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANYONE. THESE MAJOR EMPLOYERS DON'T KNOWINGLY HIRE ILLEGALS OR THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN A LONG TIME AGO.
Posted by Doufish2 (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 7:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sportsguy: I have no problem with anyone that is legally in this country. You should be proud of your grandfather, just as I am for fighting for our freedom as a country. I guess I should have been a little more specific, I am not talking about any race that is here legally.
Pedophiles, murderers, rapists are in all races, not just white. Again, Austin has a problem with illegal immegrants. Until Hormel and QPP do something about the cheap labor they have brought to town, the flow down crime will be there. A comment was made by someone in here that their crimes are against each other. Makes no difference, what happens is an innocent bystander gets shot? Your house gets broken into? Your checks are forged to make a rent payment? Yes, good old white folks do the same things and should be prosecuted to the fullest, but we have a law against being in this country illegally. Go thru the proper channels, become a US citizen.
Posted by notsuprised (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Quite simply, the problem with his approach is that people have less tolerance for Nazi’s then they do for illegal immigrants.
If you have a rock in your shoe, you remove the rock. You don't lop off your leg.
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Excellent point - NotSurprised. As I have posted before, there are two issues. The issue of immigration was a healthy public debate going back years and we have seen some advancements.
The issue of Nazis coming to our community to spread their white power lunacy is a new issue that has required a more immediate response.
I too was pleased to see that the Nazis were shouted down and could barely be heard by those telling them to "Go Home". We may have our differences but we seem pretty united on the idea that there is no room in our community for hateful Hitler worshipers.
Posted by scottb (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nazis are scum. Adolf Hitler wanted to kill millions more than he already did. If Hitler is alive in your heart, I take that to mean you believe in continuing his mass murder and you have no place in a decent society.
Posted by Doufish2 (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There is no place in America, in this day and age for the Nazi agenda. This is an immigration issue, not mass murder anihilation of a race issue.
Hormel and QPP need to take reponsibility and check identifications thouroughly, not just look at a licence, birth certificate or green card. They need to have a full time investigation staff. If the get caught with an illegal, fine the hell out of them.
Posted by cabinman (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When people with this radical of a view become involved in this debate it completely takes out if they are here legally or not.
Posted by Grumpus (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Adolph - suppose you were to solve the illegal problem in Austin. Who's next? The Jewish people in our midst?
I've seen how you people operate. My great-uncles did too, during WWII. No thanks.
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A Nazi Liar is the worst.
The point is that if you approach an issue like immigration declaring first that you are a racist and a bigot, then you sort of loose some credibility and the message about immigration takes on a sinister and evil cloak that obscures the debate.
Further, the point of most here is that they do not approve of the purpose and ideology behind NSM and do not want any of that nonsense brought here by the likes of you or Mr. Johnson.
So we are pleased that Mr. Johnson so proudly wears his bigotry. That has allowed us to publicly state his line of thinking is not welcome here. Perhaps now, those whose knuckles are not dragging on the pavement can pick up our discussion of immigration that was so rudely interrupted by the Nazis and their pretended three man rally.
Posted by formeraustinian (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey 1488 - I'll sign that stupid "sanctuary city" petition if it will get rid of you - I'm assuming the "sanctuary city petition" is one that would invite more minorities to Austin! I would rather put up with more of the same than any of your NSM/Nazi rhetoric!!! AND SPEAKING OF INTELLIGENCE!?!? And I quote and spell exactly as 1488: "...wow that shows great inteligence" AT LEAST I KNOW HOW TO SPELL INTELLIGENCE - I don't see you doing much more than those that you are chastizing (if you know what that means?) So why don't YOU just "shut the f@!k up" (you're oh so clever with the camouflaged swear words too!). And just how do you know that one of these posters wasn't there Saturday protesting against Mr. Johnson. Answer: you don't! So once again - please leave Austin and us posters alone - we don't want or need your kind EVER!!! My apologies to the "regular" posters - I just had to stoop to their level - couldn't take the crap any longer!
Posted by cabinman (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Stop hiding behind hate like it is some righteous cause that your group sacrifices so much for.
Posted by jiggy (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
formeraustinian is right. 1488--take the advice you give to others and sh&t the *^cK up. haha! Get out of town and try to sell your b.s to someone else. Better yet take your friends with you to some secluded place where you don't have to see the world around you. I feel sorry for your kids. You're not even giving them a chance to grow up and have a happy, love filled life. Hopefully they will see your hate and toss it out and be done with you until you change that disgusting way of thinking. For you as well--you get no sympathy here! Move on!
Posted by Whitesonly (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 3:51 p.m.
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Posted by austinmn1 (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL that chubby Sam Johnson is at it again. He once threw a heil hitler sign up at me. Has seen american history x too many times, don't forget the racist little kid dies in the end sam lol. This isn't an anti-immigration rally its a bunch of racist persons getting together. No matter what they say, all these words and junk don't mean anything and won't get anything "accomplished." I mean come on..........all the talk about hitler........really guys. America is one of the most culturally diverse countries in the world. Get used to seeing different people.
Posted by Whitesonly (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Make us leave we have all the constitutional rights to be here unlike the illegal scum. We will be here untill the mission is complete or we are dead. What are you going to do about it? How about nothing because you will still be sitting at your computer! Ha ha ha ha ha ha WE ARE THE DEFENDERS OF THE WHITE ARYAN RACE THE TEMPLARS PROTECTING THE HOLY GRAIL OF PURITY!! WHITE POWER WHITE PRIDE RAHOWA HAIL VICTORY SEIG HEIL SEIG HEIL SEIG HEIL
Posted by austinmn1 (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
lol make us leave haha. u r the ones trying to get a message across. bitching and moaning will do nothing. u r the ones who need to take action. if your so offended by them then do something ass.
Posted by jiggy (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You are so sick! I'm sick of hearing all of that crap! Shut up already! You ignorant idiot! Why don't you look back into your roots. Look where your ancestors came from. I bet you haven't even done that. But maybe you have blond hair and blue eyes? So you think you are so pure because of those characteristics? I hope you find some surprises in your search. There is no such thing. You are a racist fool thinking that a man who was a waste of a human being was a God. Who slaughtered millions of innocent people for nothing! You are a follower of hate and corruption and you have no place here. Again I will say---Move on!
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let people like WhitesOnly talk. With every word he proves our point that he is a knuckle dragging moron with no life, no education, no intelligence, and no morality. By showing himself for what he is he totally destroys his "mission" and any chance it had of success. There isn't a person here who is willing to accept the mental illness he is selling as a solution. So let him talk.
It is like going to a fantasy zoo and seeing a nearly extinct genetically mutated animal and marveling at how something so grotesque could survive in the modern world.
Just be thankful that animals like WhitesOnly, 1488, Adolf and Johnson can only be seen in such zoos. It is each of our sworn duty to make sure they never escape from their ideological cages to roam free among the real homo sapiens.
Posted by leftthehatebehind (anonymous) on July 14, 2009 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well said Aletheia_Kratos
Posted by Whitesonly (anonymous) on July 15, 2009 at 2:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why do you continue to bring up the holonot. Propaganda created by the russians during world war 2 its pretty easy to make people look bad when your the first to arrive at a supposed death camp and supposedly liberate it. You are all just puppets on a string and im the master. I love getting you all worked up and watching you squirm. Ah my little puppets dance puppets dance. You are all lost lonely souls swirling in nothingness because thats all you have is nothing and thats all you will have for betraying yourselves and your respective races. Heil GEORGE LINCOLN ROCKWELL TRUE HEROES NEVER DIE. Sieg heil WHITE POWER. SS PANZER SKINS KNOW WHITE FROM WRONG
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 15, 2009 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Damn that is funny. Proving my point in post after post.
See what I mean folks. Let him talk as he exposes his emptiness with every post.
Post some more insanity. We are not worked up Mr. Only. We are laughing at you and your ideas. We are laughing at what you think is intelligent banter. You become smaller and smaller with every click on your keyboard.
Posted by cabinman (anonymous) on July 15, 2009 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Whitesonly, can you explain to me why it should be whites only?
Posted by jiggy (anonymous) on July 15, 2009 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bravo Aletheia! Thank you for your posts!
Posted by Whitesonly (anonymous) on July 15, 2009 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bravo ak for your comments. Empty comments full of anti american propaganda. Yet you never offer any resolve to the issue. Like the tenth amendment or 287g you focus so much of your time worrying about others actions you certainly love the gossip. Blacks are 15 percent more likely to commit a crime and latinos are 13 percent more likely. And my name doesnt mean only whites should be in our country it means each race should stick with there own. I am not a supremicist i am a separatist. I believe whites and blacks should have there own communities there own governments. There own equal parts of the country. Thanks for listening. And im not a nazi i am a white nationalist with a group called libertarians
Posted by Steveo (anonymous) on July 16, 2009 at 1:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Whites only if you believe that white should stick with whites and blacks with blacks and so on,maybe you should goto prison.This is the real world. After your kids slits thier wrists,because of the hate you have surrounded them in,then and only then will you see we all bleed the same!Sad story.At the least your children will be in prison. Good job as a parent buddy. hail sh!thead
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 16, 2009 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What is "anti american propaganda" in any of my posts mr only?
What does the 10th amendment have to do with my rejection of Nazi thinking?
Your crime stats are made up.
Separatists are as bad as supremicists especially when they start suggesting that one race is better or worse than another - because then there is no difference between the two.
Just keeping it simple for the simple minded.
Posted by cabinman (anonymous) on July 16, 2009 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What has AK said that is "anti-American"?
Posted by Whitesonly (anonymous) on July 16, 2009 at 11:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
First ak you have other posts that state there should be 2 sets of laws one for people you like and one for people you dont. Basicly you dont give a crap about the constitution you care about yourself and confusing these people for your own sick benefit. And my stats are not a lie you will find that out if you go to the splc web site or to the aclu website. Second apparently you dont read the paper you just like to get half the story and give out misinformation. And if we are so bad what are the democrats or the republicans doing on this issue nothing it seems to me white nationalists are the only ones who care enough to stand up for America! By the way i was at the protest standing tall for my country! Were you?
Posted by Aletheia_Kratos (anonymous) on July 17, 2009 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have never once suggested two sets of laws. You are the separatist. If you misunderstood a post I made identify it and it will try to dumb it down for you. I love the Constitution and have given more respect than your ideology will ever allow you to give it. I have spent time studying stats on crime and yours are made up. I read the paper - but more importantly I understand what I read and I read more than one source and I apply critical thinking. I know that is all really hard so I don't expect you to keep up. After all we can all only rise to the level of our abilities.
You were not standing tall for your country. If you were you would have needed a different flag. You were standing tall for an ideology that segregates people and treats them differently because of their skin color. That is not America. That is sick and evil. Your demeaning views of blacks, browns and others is not America. Why your soul and mind are so filled with hate and darkness is unknown to me, but I pity you. Your life must be so sad and empty.
For me, I enjoy the company of people of all races. After all we are all the same. We all have the same hopes and dreams. We all have the same gifts to offer the world. We all experience the same joys and sadness.
Try making some friends who are darker skinned than you. You will discover that everything you thought you knew about race is a lie. Maybe then you will find the richness of life spent in the light of day.
Or continue to live under your rock imagining that everyone thinks like you do and that you hold power. That solitude of ignorance and darkness is comforting at first, but it must take a great deal of energy to keep the truth from reaching your eyes and ears - not to mention your mind and heart. Without that truth you view yourself as important but to the rest of the world looking down under your rock you look small and pathetic.
Posted by jiggy (anonymous) on July 17, 2009 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
AK- That was the best post! Thank you!
Posted by pandulche (anonymous) on July 18, 2009 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The neo-nazis of the Austin area are poor uneducated fools. That is a real shame because we have the resources in Austin to educate people. Sam Johnson is also a hypocrite. He complains about Mexicans sponging off the economy while they supply a huge amount, maybe most of the labor for Austin's industry and yet Mr. Johnson is morbidly overweight and buys his food with food stamps (saw him paying at Kwik Trip.) Not that he is bad because he is poor, but what poor neo-Nazis like Mr. Johnson and his friends from the rally don't seem to realize is that migrant workers and native workers are in the same exact situation of selling their labor in order to survive. Also, that they themselves (neo-nazis) are the children of migrant workers.
WhitesOnly; Go ahead and call yourself "white nationalist" if you want to sound less evil, but that is a pretty dumb strategy. Also don't forget that you were at a Nazi rally, so you associate with Nazis, agree with them, do your political work with them, but noooo, you're a "white nationalist." If you truly believe that all races are equal/not superior/inferior to one another, then why do they need to be separate? Probably because your emphasis on valuing the "white nation" (which has never historically existed, by the way: it is an neo-nazi invention/myth) is racist and you see it as superior in some way. But you're not racially superior, and there is no white nation... good luck trying to get "white people" from all over the world, "white people" from every religion, "white people" who speak a ton of different languages and come from a ton of different countries to agree with you and identify with your "nation" just because of some arbitrarily defined pseudo-scientific racial classification. So in short, get over yourself.
Posted by Hootch (anonymous) on July 23, 2009 at 12:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If the immigration laws were applied that we now have on the books, none of this discussion would be necessary, no protests would be necessary.
Our leadership has become an impotent corporate servant.
Posted by burnittotheground (anonymous) on August 7, 2009 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Go cash your welfare check Johnson instead of getting a JOB to HELP Support America !
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