Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Mormon Prophet, John Smith"...................

B. Kent Larson, Stewartville, Minn.

You musta bin wun of the1st Babtust RedNecks a drivun the Bus wut took them dang Mormons away. Or are you just such a student of Religion you confused Joseph Smith with John the Baptist???

Say...what ever happened to the bed in their DESICRATED TEMPLE?

Are all texan's this ignorant?

Posted by PhDAAA (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So why exactly have you written this letter? It only seems to indicate to me that you don't like Mormonism.
I know Southern Baptists in the past quoted Bible scriptures to justify slavery. The Southern Baptist Convention renounced its racist past in 1995. Here is a link to an article about it in Christian Century: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1.... Should we dislike Southern Baptists, because they made a mistake in the past? My research in the history of religions show all religions change over time. Maybe we should be glad about this. Catholics no longer kill "heretics," and Protestants no longer hang "witches." I, for one, am happy for the changes.
Is anybody besides me happy about these changes?

Posted by Ammonihah (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jacob 2:23-24

23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

Now why don't you read the rest of the chapter?

Jacob 2:30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

Plural marriage is conditional and authorized only by God when God see's fit. When it is practiced out of lust for sex, like David and Solomon did it is an abomination.

Guess you thought you TRAPPED the Mormons didn't you?

Nice try cherry picking, but you failed.

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

B. Kent Larson, Stewartville, Minn

Re,. your' private e mail addressed separatly.

"This is Austin, Minn."

OK, so you are a displaced 'TEXAN'

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And Joseph didn't practice it "out of lust for sex"?

11 teenagers, 2 who were 14 year olds.
11 women married to other men.
Married to one young lady, then married her mother a few days later.
Married to sisters.
Married to at least 34 women.
"In Sacred Loneliness", Todd Compton.

How did Joseph Smith think this was OK with God?

http://blog.mrm.org/2008/06/visually-ill...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNHBpkYH3...

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TO HOKEY:

YUP...he did all that and then some, and was Jailed and Murdered by some local Do Gooder's that saw fit to claim all that belonged to this people as their own.......sorta Reminds me of Christian History.

That temple in Texus woulda made one fine "COURTHOUSE" and all those Nice Log Homes shudda been turned over to "CalFarley's" BoysTown.

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Want to see 34 Christian women dressed up to so LDS people what Joseph Smith's wives might look like.

http://blog.mrm.org/2008/06/visually-ill......

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

opps...SHOW not SO in post above

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

to: hoky poky

and.............................which three of your teeth do you still have?

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

to hoky poky.............................nice link............at least 3 of those "CHRISTIAN" women i recognise from my many visits to the MUSTANG RANCH......IS THAT WHERE YOU MET THEM TOO?

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Joseph Smith's wives tell their stories:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhzU4iXL...

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dear hoky poky............I hate to tell you this......but........Joseph Smith's er John Smith's Wives have ALL been dead for more than a HUNDRED years.......

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I saw them at "The Mormon Miracle Pageant" in Manti, Utah. I don't think they had utube in Joseph's time, but there they are on utube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNHBpkYH3.....

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNHBpkYH3...

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe Joseph Smith was just a bit aheadofthe EVANGICAL movement.........

check out this list........

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A series of scandals resulted in the harming of the reputations of several famous American Christian evangelists, most notably during the 1980s. This list only includes high-profile evangelist scandals. (Roman Catholic clergy and high-profile leaders from New Religious Movements, are not within the scope of this list.)

Contents [hide]
1 List of Christian Evangelists
1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s-40s
1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s - 1980s
1.3 Oral Roberts, 1977 and 1986
1.4 Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991
1.5 Peter Popoff, 1987
1.6 Mike Warnke, 1991
1.7 Robert Tilton, 1991
1.8 Frank Houston, 2000
1.9 John Paulk, 2000
1.10 Douglas Goodman, 2004
1.11 Kent Hovind, 2006
1.12 Ted Haggard, 2006
1.13 Paul Barnes, 2006
1.14 Lonnie Latham, 2006
1.15 Richard Roberts, 2007
1.16 Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007
1.17 Coy Privette, 2007
1.18 Phil Driscoll, 2007
1.19 Joe Barron, 2008
2 Senate probe
3 Impact
4 See also
5 References

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wyomingkid41

Did any of these Evangelicals tell people that God is an exalted man or that a man can become God? Did any of these Evangelicals say to someone that their salvation was dependent upon them marrying them in a plural marriage?

JOSEPH SMITH DID!

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Hokey Pokey.......................................I'll give you that......they only practiced (secret) polygamy...ie cheat on spouses......sexual trist'sw/ of age and underage members of their congregations.........both male and female....perhaps you are correct.....the founder of the Episcopal church........the Catholic church.......the Baptist Church "the real JOHN SMITH" , AND ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED mostly were and are closet Pedophiles and whoremongers as you probably will find is the leader of your on sect. Even the renowned ORAL ROBERTS university has gone upside down because of this sort of behavior.

I still say what you Jelouse TEXANS really want is unearned MONY and Property........."Lets just PERSECUTE Kill and steal.............Very "Christ Like Values"

Go back to your porno flicks.

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So wyomingkid41 are you LDS?

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Hokey Pokey...................Tried Bout every thing frum Jimmy Swaggert to Calvary Chapel to Catolick to Baptust....just got remarried as my late wife of 47 years passed 2 yrs ago....My now wife has been baptised 8 times, me only seven......I'm here to tell you...even the bible was NOT written by GOD... Perhaps you shud take the
Mormon Missionary's and the Jehova's witness out to lunch as I do and have a few meaningful conversations w them.

One thing I really notice about them is they don't have this underlying need to "HATE" as do the evanglecal members and preachers.
One of my favorite preachers of all time was Jimmy Swaggart....but we all found out where that went.....I couldn't live myself and still support CC w/all that Money Grubing and sex Scandel.........Right now I'm sorta looking to be part of a congregation that ain't so HATEFUL and the Mormon's, FLDS, or Jehovah's don't look all that bad.

I own apartment buildings here in Costa Mesa Ca.....
Have over 90 percent Jehovah's tennents......Don't get lied to, cheated on, property destroyed as when I tried to ONLY rent to "CHRISTIANS" mostly recomended by local pastors.

They watch their familys and in general are excellent tennents.

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wyomingkid41

Could I be called Jerry rather than "Hokey Pokey"?

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wyomingkid41

Seems like you are pretty anger with Calvary Chapel, why?

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was part of a group that left Calvary Chapel because of what was happening with CSN.

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

Don't mean anything personal by that but to many "CHRISTIANS" ARE OUT THROWING ROCKS AT THE WHORES"......The most offensive thing I've seen in years is to Haul Away INNOCENT childred in 1st Baptist Busses under the guise of "saving" them. It's a wunder they didn't stop at the 1st creek on the way and Baptise the whole lot.

The orignal flight from I'll to Utah was not abouut Religion or Poligamy but was political....The Mormons' had built up the 10th largest city in the US at that time and were about come into the US as a FREE rather than slave state......Uh lets see...keep our slaves...steal all that land we sold them so cheap before they drained the swamp......get them all exterminated......who will ever know?????

The parrallel's to WACO.....FLDS raids.......Nazi's getting rid of the Jew's......are all very remarkably similar.

Your post's have come off to me as direct from CC's "How to HATE Mormon seminars.

Chris

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"How to HATE Mormon seminars."

Calvary Chapel has these?

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

I'm not really angry w/cc, I just found them to be so high and mighty....the transfering of the pedophial from Anahiem to Costa Mesa and putting him as an instructor of young people really turned me off.

Used to like to listen to Garner Ted Armstrong, what a preacher. But.....thats another story.

Maybe smilin JOEL outa Dallas will avoid the same fate.

As to the Mormons, I really think they catch a lot of bad press......You would have to dig awfully deep to find about the Millions they gave for Katrina relief or for that matter the latest disasters hitting the Midwest currently.

I know in case we really get bad problems we are lucky here in California to have so many Mormon Neighbors w/ their year supply. Sorta helps put my mind at ease about them.

Chris

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

Seminar's or probaly more closly to how to argue religion and prove Mormons wrong classes.......can find quite a lot of it on the net.

Chris

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jerry

here's a typical link

http://www.rickross.com/reference/calvar...

chris

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chris, did you ever go to a "How to HATE Mormon seminar"?

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

The same speaker was scheduled to come to
Costa Mesa about the time I'd left......but have I read and studied most of the stuff expounded .

Also toured the new Mormon Temple in Newport Beach before it was dedicated. Even the MARINER'S church there was kind enough to offer the over flow parking at the time. I didn't see anything in that temple that is sooo earthshaking.

Not near as extravagent as Tammy and Jerry's ch 40 building however.

I wonder what the new's would say if the local gendarm's broke in there and found (of all things) "a Bed"

Also contributed to Jehovahs Building fund to restore their kingdomhall on FairView....Also Give and Buy from Mariners salvage store.

Chris

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

'Calvary Assistant Pastor Duane Wilson said McKeever was asked to come because "he has a heart of love for the Mormons. He understands they are deceived because they don't have an accurate portrait of Jesus Christ."'

Above quote is taken from the article you directed me to.

As I know Bill McKeever personally, I would say that this is very accurate.

"Founded by Joseph Smith in 1830, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims to be the restoration of the true Christian Church after nearly 2,000 years of apostasy."

The above quote is also from that article and here in lies the problem. Joseph Smith taught that the LDS are the ONLY true church. He also said that the churches of his day were an abomination and there was a complete apostasy from the time the last apostle died until the one true church was restored in 1830. That is over 1700 years without the true church anywhere.

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am leaving to go to my son's house for dinner. Talk to you later, Chris.

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

Does Calvary Assistant Pastor Duane Wilson also have the same heart of love for the CC members.

Were they not decived when Christ didn't show up as promissed?

No, I think he is really more PO'd that the Mormon's are getting the Bulk of the new Converts which of course translates into power and money.

Funny how that radio mess turned into such a loser and almost everythin the Mormons do turns into a big success.

a great article about all this can be found in "Chrisianity Today" at this link.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007...

Chris

Posted by Hokey (anonymous) on June 27, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Were they not decived when Christ didn't show up as promissed?"

What do you mean by this statement Chris?

Where does it say anything about Christ showing up?

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 27, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Calvary Chapel

(maybe this where I read it)

The founder of the Calvary Chapel system is the charismatic Pastor Chuck Smith. Some years ago, he published a book entitled End Times. On the jacket of his book, Smith is called a "well known Bible scholar and prophecy teacher." In this book he wrote:

As we look at the world scene today, it would appear that the coming of the Lord is very, very, close. Yet, we do not know when it will be. It could be that the Lord will wait for a time longer. If I understand Scripture correctly, Jesus taught us that the generation which sees the 'budding of the fig tree', the birth of the nation Israel, will be the generation that sees the Lord's return; I believe that the generation of 1948 is the last generation. Since a generation of judgment is forty years and the tribulation lasts seven years, I believe the Lord could come back for his church anytime before the tribulation starts, which would mean anytime before 1981. (1948 + 40 − 7 = 1981) However, it is possible that Jesus is dating the beginning of the generation from 1967, when Jerusalem was again under Israeli control for the first time since 587 B.C. We don't know for sure which year actually marks the beginning of the last generation.[13]

This same viewpoint was published by the popular Pastor Hal Lindsey in his widely published book entitled The Late Great Planet Earth.[14]

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 27, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jerry

prior source is WICIPEDIA (unfulfilled prophicies)

chris

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 27, 2008 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Founded by Joseph Smith in 1830, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims to be the restoration of the true Christian Church after nearly 2,000 years of apostasy."

re.........Yup...that what it says....Maybe the crusades, founding of the Catholics....Martin Luther.....The Church of Egland needing a Differant Wife......or for that matter Chuck Smith's bunch was really the TRUE end of the apostasy

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 27, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

cc's approach doesn't seem to be working to well, since that temple in SPOKAN was opened LDS membership in Washington State is up by almost 40,000....thats more than claimed Total US Mebership for CC.

BYU has 35,000 students.

Pehaps CC Should start buying BIKES.

Chris

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 27, 2008 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled...

sorry I couldn't get link to copy n paste earlier

Chris

Posted by wyomingkid41 (anonymous) on June 27, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jerry

u can e mail directly at m.chris41@yahoo.com

have enjoyed the conversation

Chris