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Poll: Should Austin enact a pit bull ordinance?

Published 8:52am Monday, March 19, 2012

Should Austin enact a city ordinance that regulates the ownership of pit bulls?

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  • CORKYROMANO

    I understand the concern in the community but I also think for people who are responsible with their dogs that they should not be punished. I am a pit bull (well part pit bull) owner myself and I am very careful with my dog. Regardless that she is an amazing dog and has never harmed anything or been mistreated I am careful to put them on leashes and be outside to watch them just because I would never want something bad to happen. Dogs are wild animals and anything can happen at any point in time. I am well aware of the concerns of the community as I would be concerned but I also dont think it is fair to punish the other community members for the wrong doing of one dog.

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  • NicoleMae

    Why should all pit bulls be punished for the stupidity of a few irresponsible pet owners? It makes me mad that people are so willing to profile pit bulls. The bite rate for little dogs is way higher than big dogs; there are also 20+ breeds of dogs that are mistaken for pit bulls, therefore a lot of reported “pit bull” bites are not actually pits. Any dog, if raised to, can be mean! I dont think the dog should be blamed when they bite; the dog responds like that because that is what their owner has taught them. How can you punish a dog, let alone a whole breed, for obeying their owner; why is it not the owners fault for teaching the dog to attack?! Its unfair to punish the responsible pet owners because some people make poor choices.

    I am the the mother of a four year old and a proud pit bull owner. I could not ask for a better dog; He has a great temperament and has never hurt/been aggressive towards anyone. When we go for walks the dog rides behind my son in the stroller and spends most of his time curled up in my chair snoring. When someone knocks on the door he barks but his tail wags the entire time. The only thing you have to worry about with my dog is being licked to death.

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  • Rhino

    What you people are failing to realize… a dog like any other living thing can have a bad day… when a pit bull has a bad day something is going to die, whether it be another dog or human depends on what is in its path.

    poodle has a bad day and it bites something it would be proud if it broke skin…

    pit bull has a bad day it will be proud when its target is dead…

    quit blaming the owners, its not always them.

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    • spitfire

      Pit bulls are not the only breed of dog that have severely harmed or killed people/animals. And yes, a lot of the times the animal’s owner is to blame for what happened. They let their dogs run around freely, teach their dog to be aggressive or leave them unsupervised.

      I once read about a lab puppy killing an infant. Does that mean we shouldn’t allow others to own labs just because those individuals decided to leave the puppy with a baby unsupervised?

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      • Rhino

        72% of human deaths in the united states by a K-9 are by a pit bull / part pit bull… the other 28% is made up of the other hundreds of breeds…

        get a clue… understand why they are the target of these ordinances / policy rules…

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    • bullyowner

      What you fail to realize is that a human can have a bad day. And they can then shoot tens of people without reloading. That’s the extent of your argument. You give up the RIGHT to own your gun, and I’ll give up the RIGHT to own any breed of dog I want to.

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  • formeraustinian

    I live in the metro area and up here when you see people walking their dogs, they not only have leashes but a good number also have muzzles. While I know a lot of people don’t believe in muzzles, maybe this could be a compromise and make it a muzzle ordinance for all dogs that are in public instead. Unfortunately, the pit bulls have a reputation that’s nationwide and as much as people don’t like it, it’s a fact that pit bulls are consistently dangerous. I don’t know if any ordinace, outside of barring those types of dogs from town, would have prevented what occurred last week.

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    • skunkhollow1964

      I agree with Rhino on this one. The potential to do great harm is there, peaceful animal or not.

      Also, is there a genetic marker that predisposes to both Pitt ownership and neck tattoos? It’s a joke folks.

      Are there any council members reading this? Do they have an idea?

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      • myke_hawk

        Is there some genetic marker that predisposes to both bigotry and alcoholism?

        Not only am I a pit owner, I also have a neck tattoo. Please, tell me more about this stereotype that you are insinuating me to be. Do I have run-ins with the law, live in a bad part of town, and leave my dog off leash to pray on unsuspecting people and animals?

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  • Rhino

    dogsbite.org

    they cover all the breeds and how many bites and deaths…

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    • bullyowner

      The Centers for Disease Control did a study in 1998 reporting the breeds most likely to bite. After the study, they realized that there is no reliable way of identifying a breed. In 1998 doggie DNA tests had not yet been invented. As such, they retracted the bites by breed and told those that read the article to NOT use it to enact BSL – because there is no reliable way of identifying a breed of dog. Dogbite.org identifies the breed of dog from a media report. If your local newscaster calls the dog a “pitbull” she adds it to her list of offenders. You cannot identify a “pitbull” because it’s not a breed. It’s a term used to identify anywhere from 3 to 26 DIFFERENT breeds of dogs. So to quote dogbite.org is meaningless, non-factual, and shows lack of knowledge. Additionally, it honestly does not matter if “pitbull” dogs bite the most because we don’t have the denominator in the equation – which is how many total “pitbull” dogs are there? If you have 1 poodle in a town and it bites someone, then the poodle breed is 100% more likely to bite someone than a golden retriever, where maybe there are 100 goldens, but only 1 bites them. So her statistics are entirely flawed and mis-leading.

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  • K-Man

    What’s interesting is I have read a number of stories of Pit Bull attacks/deaths and a lot of them there are people that say “I’ve lived by this family for x-amount of years and that was a really nice dog! I never thought it would do something like this!” Rhino is dead nuts on this! A dog is an animal that has instincts. And if it decides to snap (which even a friendly loving dog can do), the result is often total devestation for someone! Unfortunately it’s an innocent animal OR HUMAN! Why take the risk?? I have seen/read way too many stories for me to think the reward out-weighs the risk! Sorry folks..

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    • bullyowner

      You’ve read the stories because that’s what the media feeds you. Did you read the story about the stray pitbull that saved a woman’s life as she and her daughter were approached by a man wielding a knife? Did you read the story about the pitbull that stayed with the lost 2 year old in the wooods? What about the story where the pitbulls woke up their family when the house was on fire? You don’t hear about other breeds of dogs, because when they attack, they are never labeled by breed! It’s “family dog kills infant” (two infants, on in Canada and one in PA were killed by the family husky in the same week!). What about the woman – the one with the first face transplant – her face was ripped off – entirely – by a dog. Do you remember the breed? it was a GOLDEN RETRIEVER. You don’t hear about the other breeds because your newscasters know that “pitbull” is a hot topic and that will get people reading and talking. A golden retriever is a non-story.

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  • skunkhollow1964

    myke – I like tattoos, and truth be told I like Pit Bulls. I won’t own one because I just don’t want to own a powerful dog.

    It is a serious question. Isn’t it funny how you expect a little old lady to own a poodle or pom. A fat guy smoking a cigar owns an English Bull.

    If you were to gather 50 pit bull owners and 50 poodle owners together and split them into two groups, could you figure out which group is which without seeing the dogs?

    Why is this? Which group has the higher rate of enrollment in dog obedience school?

    I thought the problem was the dog owners, not the dogs. Shouldn’t we study this a bit deeper?

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  • myke_hawk

    I don’t think there should be a pit bull ordinance in Austin because there are already dog ordinances in place – keep your dog on leash when you live in town. I can’t tell you how many times walking my dogs we’ve been charged or chased or bitten at by dogs whose owners foolishly leave off leash or let outside to roam (not all of which have been pits but labs, bulldog, and others) when we were minding our own business. Yes, pit bulls are lethal weapons and unfortunately some owners are very irresponsible. However…. a lot of dog owners in general are irresponsible. I don’t care what breed of dog you have, know what your dog was bred for, what its capable of, accommodate, be responsible and don’t kid yourself. If you can’t be responsible for your dog and do the work it requires, don’t be a pet owner.

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  • K-Man

    Another note to think about – I believe this past incident involved a Pit Bull practically breaking down a door to get outside and attack the dog (and subsequent man walking it) and eventually kill it. Dog wasn’t roaming the yard or neighborhood.. Dog wasn’t out for a walk without a leash.. Any current ordinance about having your dog on a leash or in a fenced in yard wouldn’t have saved this dog.

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  • bigdumjerk

    I don’t worry about pit bulls. It’s the way an animal is treated that makes them the way they are. Besides I carry a 44 shorty in case I run across a pit bull with an attitude I’d just shoot em in the head.

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    • Rhino

      I am CCW permit holder, have been for over 5 years…

      you might want to go read up on the laws before you pull that pistol. Rules of deadly force apply to animals as well.

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  • Gbug

    I agree with Rhino completely. YES there NEEDS to be a very strict ordiance with these pitbulls in this town! Why would anyone (owner or not) object to the ordiance? If you are in compliance with the laws now why would an ordiance bother you? Sounds like some hesitation about the certainty of the trust these owners say they have in their dogs. These dogs are vicious and can’t be trusted. Look at the statistics like I have seen posted in some of the other posts. Just because you have raised that dog and it obeys “you and your families” doesn’t mean it doesn’t have the ability to be very aggressive. The people that do own these dogs should be held accountable and punished to the fullest when the dog is being aggressive in any way shape or form. I can’t believe the amount of people that owns this breed in this town. With so many other breeds out there that are protective but not aggressive and make wonderful family pets it makes a person wonder why they really want them. Unless of course they have so much money the only place they can think of spending it is on higher liability insurance. I hope the city council reads these post and react as soon as possible on this issue.

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  • apip

    i don’t see how people can be so ignorant when it comes to this topic! Do your research and look into the history on the breed before you go running your mouth and passing judgment! For one there are housands of stories out there of pitbulls saving the lifes of humans, and these are pitbulls that didnt even know the person it was saving. The putbull is called the “american putbull” for a reason it was the masscot for america! Pitbulls are also known as nanny dogs because they are very intune to a child and their needs, and they watch over a child as if a nanny would. They have a high pain tolerance and pactience , there for can take being rolled on, layed on, and having there ears and tails tugged on by the little ones (which i don’t recomend anyone allowing their child to do so to any animal out of respect for the animal) Yes pit bulls can attack and so do little tiny chuahuas and labs and spaniels,,and so on…they are dogs,,dogs are animals and these things happen in nature and in life! the reason pitbulls cause more damage is because of their jaw strength that is how god made them and also because of there high pain tollerance. If other dogs had the same strength and tolerance they would cause the same damage, it has nothing to do with pitbulls being aggressive, because they arnt! Every dog is capable of getting into a fight! they are dogs! and thats where ownership comes into play, some people should never be dog owners! Wether they are lazy people that really just dont care about there pet, or they are abusive, or they have htem just to use as breeding mechines to make money, or they usethem for fighting! These types of people should be banned from owning any pets in general! The reason people choose to train pitbulls to fight is because of their strenth there endurance there high pain tolerance and there jaws (just like humans that fight you have the physcal ability to do so) but at least humans have the choice to become a fighter! these pitbulls are beaten everyday to be made aggressive and forced to fight eachother, the dogs that are unable to be trained to fight are murdered! and if there lucky they are shot,but most are hung, drowned,burned alive, beaten to death, because thats the cheap way to do so! How about instead of punishing the breed we punish the deed! As a civilizied society as human beings what right do we have to say that the pitbull breed should be taken out all together! I think we (the law) should actualy crack down on dog fighters and anyone involved and people should be more then just a slap on the wrist. They should be punished to the fullest, fined to the max! I own a pitbull I also own a mut lil dog, i own a cat, and i used to have some ferrets (R.I.P babies) and my pitbull never harmed any of my animals not even the wee little ferrests, he played with them! I have a 2 year old and they love eachother, they play together all the time! And my 2 years refurs to our pit ad his dog. And any dog can be aggressive any any mannor! If you raise a dog and you forget to feed them on a regular, or you hit them, or yell at them, or say you just neglect them and they sit in a cage all day , of course any dog will have issues! Weather they are scared, or nervous, or aggressive! But the way an owner raises their dog has a major impact on how the dogs behavior is! Just like a parent raising a child! If anything to help out the matter they could have all dog owner by law have their dogs be microchipped, because dog owners that dont care wont take the time or money to do it, so maybe we can start weeding out the dead beats slowly.

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  • apip

    Im against banning pitbulls,,i think that is just ignorant, i am also against a pitbull ordinance, But if they want to do an ordinance for owning dogs,then i agree with that! Weed out the bad seeds!, such as people with felanys cant own dogs, all dog owners must have there pets fixed unless they are ligit breeders, all dogs must be up to date with shots, all dogs should have a microchip, all dogs on leashes at all times. I agree with this but not to single out any breed, because all dogs are cabable of harming another animal or person.

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    • Rhino

      1. Did you even get into middle school?? You might want to try again. Your spelling is awful. “arnt”, “refurs”, “housands” and the list goes on… I mean really…

      2. You might want to do some research on “your” choice of animal that you have around your child.

      3. I hope your child makes it to adulthood.

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      • webs

        First I want to express my sympathy for the family who lost their beloved family pet, very sad situation – The dog who attacked and the owner should be held accountable, that said one cannot blame a breed itself any time a dog attacks – dogs are dogs, and if not properly trained and cared for can turn into vicious creatures. When people say pits were bred for fighting this is just another stereotype that has been passed down and is not accurate. According to the American Temperament Test Society in their February 19, 2012 results, the American Pit Bull Terrier has an 86.8% passing rate as compared to a 82.8% rate for all breeds.
        The American Pit Bull Terrier is the product of interbreeding between terriers and bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog. These dogs were initially bred in England and arrived in the United States with the founders. In the United States, these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions. American pit bull terriers successfully fill the role of companion dog, police dog and therapy dogs. Even a few of Vicks former fighters have become therapy dogs – it shows how resilient these dogs can be.. Remember the Little Rascals, pretty sure Petey didn’t chow down them kids! Hell, even Helen Keller had a pittie.. Long story short, you can’t blame a breed just because of a few bad apples. That’s no different than saying the world would be better of without [pick your race of choice] – Discrimination plain and simple.

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      • apip

        i type fast and i don’t re-read what i typed, spelling is not my strong point but i have many others so im happy with that, but i highly love how this is your best defence against what i posted, smooth operator! And concidering everything i just posted it should be more then obvious i have done my research on the breed. My pitbull has been in our lifes for 4 years and he is a teddy bear. Google search “nanny dog” and see what breed pops up, just for your own enjoyment or acknowledgement

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  • headscratcher

    I’m almost more concerned with the thought process and logic/reasoning skills of many of you. There are statistics that prove the excessive danger of pit bulls. So you pull out your own stats that support your cause. “Well labs bite more often…” That’s great, I don’t care THAT they bite, it’s WHAT HAPPENS when they bite. You think owners are the difference maker? Really, tell me how an owner can teach a pit bull to bite softer and to back off after the initial nip. How does an owner teach a pit bull not to have a killer instinct when they attack? Oh that’s right! They can’t!

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    • apip

      lets see my pit, my mutt my husband and i were at a dog park ruffle 2 years ago. And both my dogs were getting a drink of water when ruffly a 15lb dog came up to my pit (while he was trying to drink) and started biting his legs growling and barking at him. My pit tryed walking away from this dog several times. Then after several min of my this dog biting my pits legs, my dog turned around picked him up shook him once then tossed him to the side (my pit never showed his teeth never growled or bared down on this dog) my dog instantly (after tossed the dog) dropped down in a submissive posistion showing his belly. He knew what he did was wrong (hence how he was trained by us) he knew he was going to get in trouble. But he wasnt acting on aggression, he was simply getting this dog to leave him alone. The owner of this dog then came over to us to say “oh im so sorry my dog always does this to larger dogs” So all in all this lady should have kept her dog on a leash or in the small dog park knowing this is how her dog reacts. And as a good dog owner we trained our dog well to ans your question. Also as stated before pits can not help that they are born with strong jaws and a high pain tollerance, but we as good dog owner can do our best to train them teach them well, as we can do with all dog breeds

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  • Rhino

    apip… I found more stories about your “nanny dog” being false or full of misconceptions. So try again.

    I don’t have to have a defense against what you typed I posted plenty to prove that your post was a joke, although you did that yourself.

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    • apip

      no not really ,i think you are just out here trying to rattle peoples cage because you have nothing better to do. I am actualy fighting for a cause that i believe in

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      • Rhino

        you keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night

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    • apip

      and also not to sure what your talking about on google, because thats not what i am finding

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  • apip

    rhino- I love how you are going off subject and simply being childish. my point proven. Goodnight have a lovely evening

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    • hartman

      Yo apip you have NO idea what you are talking about!! I guess you just don’t like hearing the truth.

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  • Rhino

    look up “the nanny dog myth revealed”….

    From 2004 to 2010 59 US children were killed by the family’s, babysitter’s, neighbor’s or friend’s pit bull.

    look up Brayden McCollen… 13 days old baby mauled by the families loving pit bull mix… the dog pushed his way thru french doors to get to the kid… great family dog huh???

    look up Thomas Carter Jr… 7 days old… loving family dog, pit bull kills infant then attack and kills other pit bull in house

    look up Darius Tillman… 15 days old… killed, mauled and half eaten by the families pit bull.

    great dogs I tell you… open your eyes, for your kids sake…

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    • bullyowner

      Good post Rhino – your presentation proves our points. A MIX is a mutt. If a mule kicks you – was it the horse that did it or the donkey? If a mutt bites you – was it the pitbull jaws that bit you? Or the golden retriever brain that told it to?

      You know that for ever 1 pitbull that bites someone there are probably 1 million that don’t. Given that there are 70 million (guesstimate based on people who register their dogs with the city) dogs in America and less than 30 people every year die from a dog attack, I think we should instead focus our laws on gun control. More guns kill and maim and injure people than any breed of dog. Seems like we can save more people’s lives and prevent more injuries by getting rid of guns than by banning any breed (or in your examples, mutts) of dog.

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  • csmit

    I am the proud owner of a pit and do not believe its fair to punish the whole community for one incident that happened! I totally feel like this whole poll thing is ridiculous! Way to rile up the community! Everyone has their own opinion and obviously will state it out in the open! I feel horrible for the people involved in this accident! I would not wish that to happen to anyone one! Dont think their would be a POLL if this happened with any other dog! Crazy stupid!! Love my pit!!!

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  • Cinch

    These posts are just sad on both sides.

    A true pit bull can be an amazing dog.

    A pit bull was the first dog ever on the cover of Time magazine. A pit pull was the first dog that received a medal for serving in the US Military.

    Over in Rochester there is a pit bull named Wallace who is an amazing dog. A therapy dog, champion disc dog, and was also a rescue dog.

    You want to do statistic?

    Last year, which was responsible for more deaths? Pit bulls or car accidents? Which was a factor in more deaths, pit bulls or alcohol?

    Do you want more statistics?

    American Pit Bull Terriers pass their temperament test at 86.8%, the American Staffordshire Terrier pass their temperament test at 84.2%.

    In comparison some popular breeds, Collies 80.1%, Lhasa Apso 70.4%, Pomeranian 75.8%, and Toy Poodle 81.1&.

    Source: http://atts.org/breed-statistics/

    So, I say this, if you want to ban pit bulls, then you should also ban every dog that falls under them in the temperament test, it’s only fair right?

    Any dog can bite, any dog can be dangerous but don’t automatically discount the good a breed can be based on the media storm that they create.

    Rhino, I often respect your opinion on these comment sections, but on this I don’t agree.

    You stated that from 2004-2010 59 US children were killed by pit bulls. Please come back with a number during that time of kids that were killed by drunk drivers.

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    • nj

      If anybody thinks that when a Lab or any other sizable dog can’t do damage when they attack they are sooooo mistaken. My 2 year old cousin was mauled in the face by her family lab last year (we don’t know how many surgeries she will have to have). It happened in Austin,but funny how it didn’t make the local news. Did anyone read the sory of the 6 week old killed by the family palmerian? Or did you just skip that one because it didn’t have to word Pit in it? I know for sure next time my Pit gets attacked by someone else’s mut, and I have to pay over $300 in vet bills becuse he DOESN’T FIGHT BACK, I’ll be sure to contact my local paper. Yeah don’t listen to the people who own, train, and work with these animals. Listen to the kid with the gun for his profile picture.

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      • hartman

        Hey nj please just do us all a favor and get rid of your pit.

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      • Rhino

        this 43 year old kid wasn’t born yesterday…

        you know why nobody cared about the lad attack or Pomeranian attack???

        BECAUSE THOSE BREEDS HARDLY EVER ATTACK… PIT BULLS HAVE REPEATEDLY ATTACKED AND KILLED…

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      • apip

        Awe thank you so much for your wonderful comment :o) people need to hear things like this

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    • apip

      there are so many pits out there that are amazing therapy dogs. people sadly just don’t know it

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  • cooper

    I have read both sides of this story and both sides have good points. If I may ask one question or make one statement. Most of the people on this subject have in the past complained about goverment rules and regulations. Why all of the sudden are you folks in favor of another law that tell you what you can do or not do with dogs or anyother thing.
    Rhino what would you do if the city said that you cant own a gun?
    Hartman what would you do if they said that you would have to say something other than what Rino had said and come up with your own thoughts.
    Rhino I do agree with some of what you posted but i two own two dogs and would be very upset if this city said that I couldnt have them. No they are not pits but what gives people that right to tell me what kind of dog to own. I hope that you are getting what I am trying to say because i do respect your opinion.

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    • Rhino

      They city cant because the state says i can… and the state cant because the second amendment says i can… again bad comparison.

      and i am not for a city ordnance or law… i am against people owning this breed of dog period.

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    • hartman

      Hello Cooper, I agree with ANYBODY that has a good point. I just have not seen one from you yet. Please keep trying!!

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  • justgowithit

    I do not believe one “breed” should be banned… I DO believe the pit this article is about- should be put down no questions asked. I know someone who has a pitbull and for the simple fact I’ve heard nothing good about pit’s I was deathly afraid of her.. Come to find out it is probably one of the nicest dogs I’ve ever came in contact with. She has never showed any agression towards anything or anyone- kids can pull on her, bite her, anything and she just lays there. I’ve been bit by people’s labs before, and so has a friend of mine. I would never wish someone’s “bestfriends” to be banned simply because of another person’s animal. A lot of it is the owner and the animals upbringing BUT I also think ALL dogs need to be leashed because ANY animal could have violent tendencies. Punish the animal AND owner (for not properly restraining their animal who has done wrong not just the breed in general.

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  • soapbox

    I think we should have a city code that all dog and cat owners should have to take an animal owners class. They should have to get a city pet owners license. They should have to regester thier pets and have ALL of thier pets fixed unless the owner has a breeders license.

    The breeders license would only be given to people who have taken a public education class on proper pet ownership/breeding and would have to do 8 hours of volenteer work at one of the local animal shelters.

    This would help stop some of the “bad” owners of pets from breeding thier dogs such as Pit Bulls.

    I think some form of this idea could help all the pets inour town and would make it a safer place for all of us.

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  • ChicagoStyle

    So many idiots so little time.

    yes you may have cases where Pit Bulls save someone, there may be millions of nice friendly non-violent pit Bulls out there. Still 75% of dog bites are by Pit Bulls.

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    • bullyowner

      Except there are no reliable bites by breed statistics out there – so where exactly did you get your number? From the news? I get my info from published peer review journals. And they tell me that there is no reliable way to identify a breed of dog unless it’s papered (Dog DNA is not 100% reliable) and 72% of shelter workers mis-identified the breed of dog on visual inspection. So where is the 75% from? Considering that we don’t know for sure what the breed of dog was – that makes your argument a little . . . well, read your own first sentence.

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  • mightym

    Here is a dose of reality and facts for those who argue against the suggestion of banning the breed. Roughly ten years ago my parents hired a young man approximately 12 years old to walk their Yorkie two times a day since they worked long hours in their business. One day while walking the dog (on a leash) their neighbor’s pit bull burst through (yes, through) a screen door and attached their dog. The pit bull tossed that dog around like a rag doll while it was screaming in pain, bleeding profusely. The poor boy didn’t know what to do other than cry, scream, and run for help. The owner came out and couldn’t get the dog to let go. It took a baseball bat to get it to release the nearly dead dog. The dog miraculously survived after multiple surgeries, treatment by a talented veterinarian, and a whole lot of vet bills. The boy had nightmares for 3 years after the attack and wouldn’t walk down the street alone for a year. This pit bull lived in a home with two toddlers and of course the owner said it was always such a sweet dog. I would certainly vote for a ban of this breed.

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    • schnitz

      Not sure why other posts have been allowed recently, and my last comment is awaiting a moderator.. As I tried to mention earlier, this is a dead topic. Even if Austin were to attempt and dicriminate against this breed, it is illegal for them to do so as it’s against MN State law to enact BSL. Check mate, game over – Might as well take a poll to ban guns in Austin, or to ban certain races – all discrimination and all ILLEGAL.

      Please see https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=347.51

      Minnesota Law

      347.51 Dangerous dogs; registration. Subd. 8. Local ordinances. A statutory or home rule charter city, or a county, may not adopt an ordinance regulating dangerous or potentially dangerous dogs based solely on the specific breed of the dog. Ordinances inconsistent with this subdivision are void.

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    • apip

      that case is sad, and in that case yes that one dog should have punished ..but not the breed as a whole! just like people, just because someone of a certain race commits a crime doesnt mean the whole race will do the crime as well. my pit has been attacked by a small dog at a dog park ( whole story above) my pit did not attack back.

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    • proudpitbullowner

      any dog could burst through a screen door. it is up to the owner to either keep their dog away from the door or keep the inside door closed a Chihuahua can break through and attack a person or toddler. it doesn’t matter the size of dog any dog can do harm to a child.

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  • yankeeterrier

    Any information from dogsbite.org is pure bunk. That website is not to be trusted. In 2010, 30 lives were lost to dogs, 3 of which could be confirmed as a bully breed. For every bully that bites, untold hundreds of thousands go about their daily lives without issue. Any dog bite incident needs to be address individually, with full consequence falling on the owner and individual dog involved. Is anyone that touts breed bans willing to be the person who attempts to take thousands of innocent dogs from loving families and kills them?

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  • sholms@mac.com

    This debate is interesting. The different opinions of the two sides are very informative.

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    • sholms@mac.com

      But that doesn’t change this that another user tried to post and who’s post was never actually made live (pending moderator) while other posts who were against pit bulls were released since his original post. He eventually posted this to FB. This should give you some insight into how the Daily Herald actually operates, since they appear to be censoring their own reader:

      I like how Austins newspaper recently put up a poll asking if they should put a city ban on Pit Bulls. I have posted multiple times to the forum explaining that this would be illegal according to MN state law – However all my comments are awaiting a moderator, while other new arguments are being allowed. Seems that when a person points out the flaw in their logic, they block the posts. I have also written them notifying them of this and asking them to check laws before proposing such ridiculous acts – no posts, no responses. Dear Austin Daily Herald, please see MN State law – https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=347.51

      Minnesota Law

      347.51 Dangerous dogs; registration. Subd. 8. Local ordinances. A statutory or home rule charter city, or a county, may not adopt an ordinance regulating dangerous or potentially dangerous dogs based solely on the specific breed of the dog. Ordinances inconsistent with this subdivision are void.

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      • sholms@mac.com

        OMG! This post actually made it live! Someone take a screenshot and save it! (already did) so that we know if the Daily Herald is actually censoring their readers/viewers.

        Proof in-hand ADH! Try to change it now and I’ll blast this all over the net!

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  • dude

    All dogs should be banned from Austin.

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  • Gerri

    Regardless of your personal feelings towards pit bulls, the real issue is that breed legislation doesn’t work. It is just not a good means of controlling the issue, whether you believe there is an issue or not. Why would we let the government enter yet another area of our lives and botch it up? Cost thousands upon thousands of animals their lives, pull loved family pets from their homes, incur enforcement costs, and not resolve a thing?

    http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/138415019.html
    http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
    http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Denver_fnl%5B1%5D.pdf

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  • jabrowder

    I do not condone the presence of breed-specific legislation as I believe every dog is an individual and should be treated as such. As others have stated, American Pit Bull Terriers have consistently scored higher than other breeds on behavioral tests, therefore showing it’s not in the dog’s genes. I also believe that the majority of the time there are warning signs or steps to prevent bites and that some people choose to ignore them or do not understand them. Unfortunately, APBTs are this decade’s “fighting dog” (dobermans, rottweilers, bloodhounds have had this unfortunate title thrust upon them in the past) and sometimes fall into the wrong hands. However, just because some people choose to own APBTs (or even dogs in general) for the wrong reasons, does not mean that the breed as a whole is bad. Even dogs who have faced the fighting ring before have shown this breed’s resilience to turn things around and start a new life as is apparent with some of Michael Vick’s former fighting dogs. I work with an animal rescue group with a very successful behavior program, and about a year ago, a dog who had been used to breed for fighters was placed in our care. She had attacked another dog previously, when the dog came within 5 ft or so of her, and when pulled off stopped any negative behavior in an instant. It became clear to us that she had most likely never had any positive interactions with other dogs and was scared. Through training and rehabilitation, she was placed in a foster home with a cat and did lovely. She was later adopted and is now friends with the neighbor’s dog. This is just one story, but it goes to show that these dogs are not inherently “aggressive” and should not be treated as such.

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  • Geezer

    The Minnesota State Constitution does not allow
    breed specific ordinances. In order to enact a “Pit Bull Ordinance” in Austin, you would first have to change the Constitution – or outlaw all dog breeds.

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  • proudpitbullowner

    Judging a breed of dog is just like being racist.
    May not be because of color but it is the exact same thing. Maybe we should make an ordinance banning certain colors in this town because that is the same as what your doing to the pitbull breed or make an ordinance saying certain colors can only do certain things or go certain places. How would that fly in this town? I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t since most this town is made up of different races. Including a lot of illegal immigrants.

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  • Rhino

    peteb5…. Really? guns are banned in california and new york city?

    Lets see… yup wrong on both accounts… if this were true… how come both of these places are “May Issue” states?? that basically means they have CCW permits and even in new york city. Now why would they have permits if guns were banned???

    OH THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG!!! LOSER!

    nraila.org

    handgunlaw.us

    Illinois and D.C. are the only two places you can not carry a concealed weapon, but you can own one.

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  • Rhino

    The only thing i lack in life is winning the lottery so i have more money…

    you are the perfect example of psychology and the person without the mind set to have an intellectual defense of the conversation so they resort to calling one names…

    its all good… you can have your opinion of me it doesn’t matter. people i know know who i am and what i am about.

    so bottom line… your comment meant nothing and didn’t effect me in anyway. hope you have a better day today.

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  • dude

    All dogs should be banned in Austin. They poop all over and are noisy.

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  • proudpitbullowner

    not all dogs are noisey some don’t bark because they were trained banning dogs wouldn’t fix the pooping problem because you still got birds, geese, and cats, and other types of animals that poop everywhere.

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